Thursday, September 13, 2007

Behold the fruit of the New Ecumenism

This is from a combox entry on WC's blog that I feel shows why true evengelization needs to be brought back into the Church:

"As you know i am not catholic. probably invincibly ignorant. so I feel safe."

Is this the message this new ecumenism is sending?

It really says something when someone feels safe in their ignorance. Even WC has admitted, although having a heretical view of salvation, that Catholicism is the best path. How can one be complacent and "feel safe" when not on the best path?

This person will no doubt hear of this post. I'm telling them right here and now that invincible ignorance is not a free-pass to salvation. Your ignorance can help you or it can damn you. (Rom 2:15) There is no reason to feel safe. Outside visible union with the Church your soul is in grave danger. I urge you come into the bosom of the Church for the sake of your soul.

31 comments:

Unitas said...

Also included in this comment is this:

"could you tell where Paramedic (i think that's her name} works so i can be sure not to go where she works for fear she would withhod pain medication should i be badly burned and only give it to me if a recanted my heresy? no, no, this is a serious question. i need as a catholic to knoow what i'm dealing with in case i ran into you "Tradionalists""

This is just plain rude and uncalled for.

If you seriously think we enjoy other people's suffering you need your head examined.

She helps to save lives, not take them. Your insinuation is gravely insulting.

WC has done a wonderful job of making us out to be aspiring spanish inquisitors and monsters.

We seek only the truth and admonish anyone who tries to teach contrary to it.

We don't get off on "squashing" liberal catholics or fantasize about them burning in oil. It's about the Truth, and warning those that follow dissident views.

paramedicgirl said...

Unitas, stop feeding the troll. He'll come back to bite you.

paramedicgirl said...

Unitas, that comment is too funny! I actually had a patient yesterday with industrial burns to the face, hands, and neck, and I forgot to ask him if he's a heretic! I gave him the best treatment and care I know how to give and oh, if I had only read this comment first! Then I would have thought to ask him to recant his heresy. Oh, silly me!!!

Winnipeg Catholic said...

First of all, be gentle with the Haynes family you don't know their situation and their parish priest is already witnessing to them.

Second of all here are the comments I have responded to:

Paramdeic Girl:

I went there today, and I just had to call him a heretic. I bet he didn't publish that comment. Oh, well, to be fair, I don't publish all the ones he leaves on my blog, either.

Didn't the Church used to burn heretics at the stake????

Then Unitas said...

Us apologists like to say that it was the state that carried out the punishments for heresy... hehe

But yes, his disonance with Catholic teaching is flagrant, and it's obvious he's not trying to hide it. But still calls himself Catholic.

I still can't comprehend it, really. It's like a crickett player saying he plays baseball; He's playing with a completely different set of rules.

I don't know how someone that intellectually dishonest can sleep at night.

paramedicgirl said...
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Unitas said...

"Now, fair is fair. If you want to call me by names other than my paramedic user name, I will disclose all information about you that I can find. So, you work at a pharmaceutical research company, and you use your work time to harass trad Catholic bloggers. Get a life."

WC,

You just got pwnd.

Winnipeg Catholic said...
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Winnipeg Catholic said...

Well, thanks for deleting that one. I am struggling to be more charitable with PG and Caveman.

Unitas said...

WC's post sans PG's personal info:

Threats?

I didn't just get owned because i don't work at Merck, don't live in New Jersey, and site meter does not track people all that well. It is easy to hide my IP address with a proxy server and PG just mixed me up with someone.

Listen, [BLEEP], I hope that's not your real name because you're starting to really annoy me. I've printed out all your homophobic and intolerant comments.

I didn't ask to be bothered by you, I didn't want to be bothered by you. So stay true to your word and leave me alone, or I am gonna call every [BLEEP] outfit in [BLEEP] and let them know they have a sectarian homophobe named [BLEEP] on their staff who drives a [BLEEP].

Bieng a heretic is not a crime, at least not in Massachusetts. Being a homophobe sectarian [BLEEP] just might be a crime in [BLEEP]. So LEAVE ME ALONE!

Thank you. B

Winnipeg Catholic said...

OK scratch the bit thanking you for deleting my angry post. I guess you enjoy perpetuating conflict, Unitas.

Unitas said...

just a bit of do unto others, WC.

I don't like my posts being deleted, so for the time being I won't do it to you.

If you feel you've made a post that was rather in the heat of the moment that you regret there's always the option of deleting it yourself.

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Unitas said...

"I am perfectly capable of determining where PG works and publishing it."

That may be, but posting it on the internet is dreadfully bad taste, and opens a door for harassment.

If it's posted here it will be editted of it's personal content but the post will remain intact, that's all. I can't control what you do on your blog but I urge you not to do it there, either.

Winnipeg Catholic said...

Well, I don't like being threatened. I had no idea I was posting her real name she never told me that. She said it was a pseudonym. And really, you reposting my response so that I can't delete it is also annoying.

paramedicgirl said...

WC are you a complete moron? Remember saying this???

WC said...Paramedicgirl,

I don't really care if 'Georgia Lee' is your real name, porn name, or given name. What's that got to do with the price of beans in Kansas? You post a video of Lefebvre in all your SSPX hero worship and then pretend you're not a schismatic if you like. But if you want to hang out here I'll call you out on it: You're a schismatic traddie protestant who seeks to command the magisterium and who worships liturgy as an idol.


And you think that's not personal?
And you want me to back down on you????

Winnipeg Catholic said...

Hey Unitas, I don't see you deleting any personal stuff that she's posting of me (not that its correct anyway). Just a wee bit of a double standard?

Unitas said...

It was your testimony that the info PG posted was false.

If what you say is true then there is no threat to your privacy by letting it remain.

paramedicgirl said...

Wc, you have been disclosing information about yourself. Remember saying this, in a nasty comment to the Caveman that you hoped he wouldn't publish? We all know you were trying to kick a man when he was grieving by making this exceedingly stupid statement:

Winnipeg Catholic has left a new comment on your post "Prayer Request Storm the Gates of Heaven with pray...":

My career is based, in part, in defeating AML and I know several people who have suffered with it. One can't help but to think it is ironic that you sit around telling lies about me and alleging that I am gay, and then your mother falls ill with this disease. Well, I certainly hope that all goes as well as possible for her and I will pray for her even though you are a nasty, dishonest toad.

Winnipeg Catholic said...

Georgia,

I am sorry and I thought it was a pseudonym. That's all I can say. I am also sorry to return your threat in the heat of the moment. I also emailed both the threat and this apology to you. It's up to you and your christian charity then whether or not you forgive me.

Unitas,

I would appreciate it if you would delete it, I don't want my proxies or anything else about me displayed.

Regards, B

paramedicgirl said...

Unitas,

I would appreciate it if you would delete it, I don't want my proxies or anything else about me displayed.


Let's all feel sorry for the man who called me a porn star. Everyone together now, start crying!

Winnipeg Catholic said...

Well, one thing is clear. This blogging is bringing out the worst in me and I do indeed have better things to do with my time.

Unitas said...

"I don't really care if 'Georgia Lee' is your real name, porn name, or given name."

"Let's all feel sorry for the man who called me a porn star. Everyone together now, start crying!"

Yeah, that was pretty low.

furthermore, it has nothing to do with my post.

WC,

I must admit you got what you deserved.

You kept posting PG's name when asked several times not to.

And that comment to caveman does in fact imply that his mother getting that disease was some sort of divine retribution for his behavior.

There are some places you just don't go, dude. And you crossed that line.

Debate my views, challenge my orthodoxy, fine. But never make light of a personal tragedy to serve your ends. That's just opportunistic and below the belt.

paramedicgirl said...

WC, I see you are over at my blog looking for personal info on me. Here's a newsflash for you - My blog is PUBLIC!!!! Yup, that's right! Everything I publish there can be read by every jackjoe in the world. Dig all you want, buddy.

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Unitas said...

[PG's post, sans WC's info as per his request.]

paramedicgirl said...
WC, from the information you provided in your nasty comment to the Caveman about his mother's ALS illness, and from the info my sitemeter gave me about your trolling, it appears you work here:

[SNIP]

Now, fair is fair. If you want to call me by names other than my paramedic user name, I will disclose all information about you that I can find. So, you work at a pharmaceutical research company, and you use your work time to harass trad Catholic bloggers. Get a life.

September 13, 2007 4:16 PM

Unitas said...

WC,

I acquiesced to your request now please respect others' requests not to post their info and please remain charitable from now on, if possible. Please debate the issue, not the person.

My tolerance is not unlimited.

paramedicgirl said...

I copied and pasted these comments a few hours ago, anticipating that they would be deleted. I emailed them to myself and I have them on file in case WC ever goes off the deep end. Consider it as evidence of your hypocrisy, WC.

Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae said...

Dang WC, is this how liberal Catholics behave? This is what I'd have to look forward to by crossing the Tiber? I'll take the rudest of the Greeks and Russians over that anyday.

Temp said...

Right, well thanks, although i think that the company x bit is still on the other post.

Anyway, I decided to delete my blog. It's not this exchange in particular more that I don't think blogging brings out the best in me. Besides, all it seems to do is stir up controversy between people who've already made their minds up. That and the fact that I have two little kids to look after, a job, and a couple businesses. And when my irish gets up I spend way too much time commenting.

Anyway, so long and good look. Unitas I enjoyed what little rational debate we had amidst all the name calling with PG and Cavey. Still think you're understanding of the reflected truth could be a bit friendlier to the other faiths.

Well, good luck!

paramedicgirl said...

Anyway, I decided to delete my blog.

At least now unsuspecting souls will be spared your heresy. And the trad community will not be grieving your decision.

Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

ParamedicGirl,
If you like, I can always forward you to 19 comments he sent to in a span of about a half an hour as proof of just how unbalanced this guy is.

To give you an idea of the types of comments he's sent;

Comment 1: liar
Comment 2: LIAR
Comment 3: LIAR!
Comment 4: LiarLiarLiarLiarLiarLiarLiarLiarLiarLiarLiarLiarLiarLiarLiar

It goes on like this for quite some time.

Anyhow, I've saved all the e-mail notifications of the cyber-harassment he's sent via the internet. The time stamp is there, I've saved the IP notification, etc. I'm sure the good folks at Merck would be thrilled to see how he spends his time at work.

Anyhow, the sickest part of all this... he posted all this garbage on a post where I was asking for prayers for my cancer stricken mother.

As much as WC disgusts me, I would never disrespect his mother the way he's attempted to disrespect mine.

I'm tellin' ya, this "Winnipeg Catholic" is one sick puppy. To be honest, I'm tired of being upset by him. I now just feel really, really sorry for him. He really is a miserable creature.

By the way, if he wants to claim "homophobia" charges against you... I've already checked Canadian law. WC doesn't have a leg to stand on.

1. You never denied any Canadian rights to anyone.
2. You never discriminated against any Canadian citizen.
3. All of your PERSONAL OPINIONS are protected by the Canadian Constitution (free speech).

Hey gang, can anyone spell P-A-N-I-C?

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